Oy vey!
Belgium's ban on ritual circumcision is the same as making Jews second-class citizens

Summary: Two mohels (circumcisers) were arrested for performing circumcisions without a doctor present. This is apparently 'antisemitic' because Jews aren't allowed to do surgeries without doctors. So, who are these first class citizens performing surgeries without doctors?

This is ridiculous.

Why do we get referred to urologists for uniquely male issues. I understand that menstruation and growing babies is far more complex than point and shoot, so I don't see us needing annual andrologist visits. Why can't we have enough specialists to be accessible to most men?

More of a meta question here. What is the difference between this topic and protests? Just want to avoid possible topic bloat.

Links to literature about the foreskin or that refutes MGM

• Frisch et al. (2011). Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21672947/
  
• Bronselaer et al. (2013). Male circumcision decreases penile sensitivity as measured in a large cohort. https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wile...12.11761.x
  
• Martín-Alguacil et al. (2015). Terminal innervation of the male genitalia, cutaneous sensory receptors of the male foreskin. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25644189/
  
• Narvaez D. Circumcision’s Psychological Damage to Children. https://intaction.org/circumcisions-psyc...al-damage/
  
• Doctors Opposing Circumcision. Psychological Impact. https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision....al-impact/
  
• Miani et al. (2020). Neonatal male circumcision is associated with altered adult socio-affective processing. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7702013/
  
• Frisch M., Simonsen J. (2022). Non-therapeutic male circumcision in infancy or childhood and risk of human immunodeficiency virus and other sexually transmitted infections: national cohort study in Denmark. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9110485/
  
• Doctors Opposing Circumcision. Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs). https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision....nfections/
  
• Fleiss et al. (1998). Immunological Functions of the Human Prepuce. https://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/fleiss3/
  
• Boyle et al. (2002). Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma and Psychosexual Sequelae. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177...0200700310
  
• Taddio et al. (1995). Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain responses during vaccination in boys. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...3695902783
  
• Brady-Fryer et al. (2004). Pain relief for neonatal circumcision. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15495086/
  
• To et al. (1997). A Cohort Study on Male Neonatal Circumcision and the Subsequent Risk of Urinary Tract Infection. https://www.cirp.org/library/disease/UTI/to/
  
• Fendereski et al. (2025). Comparing Penile Problems in Circumcised vs. Uncircumcised Boys: Insights from a Large Commercial Claims Database with a Focus on Provider Type Performing Circumcision. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11486584/
  
• Aki Renaud (2026). Immunological and Microbial Functions of the foreskin in sexually transmitted infections. https://www.researchgate.net/publication...infections
  
• Nayan et al. (2022). Circumcision and Risk of HIV among Males from Ontario, Canada. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551593/
  
• Doctors Opposing Circumcision. The Sexual Impact of Circumcision. https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision....al-impact/
  
• CIRP. Circumcision and Sexually Transmitted Infections. https://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/
  
• Van Howe R. (2013). Sexually Transmitted Infections and Male Circumcision: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3654279/
  
• Doctors Opposing Circumcision. HIV/AIDS. https://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision....s/hivaids/
  
• Garenne M. (2022).  Changing relationships between HIV prevalence and circumcision in Lesotho.  https://uvsq.hal.science/hal-04474898/document
  
• Xu et al. (2007). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17413536/
  
• The National Law Review. Experts Who Shaped U.S. Circumcision Policy Now Voice Doubts. https://natlawreview.com/press-releases/...ice-doubts
  
• News Medical. Study shows infant circumcision has delayed psychological complications. https://www.news-medical.net/news/202012...tions.aspx
  
• Singh-Grewal et al. (2005). Circumcision for the prevention of urinary tract infection in boys: a systematic review of randomised trials and observational studies. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15890696/
  
• Cepeda-Emiliani et al. (2025). The sensory penis: A comprehensive immunohistological and ontogenetic exploration of human penile innervation. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12919687/ (This study provides a comprehensive ontogenetic framework of penile innervation, emphasizing the frenular delta, often removed during circumcision, as a specialized center of sexual sensation)
  

Links to literature that refutes the MGM hypocrisy

• National FGM Centre. Traditional Terms for Female Genital Mutilation. https://nationalfgmcentre.org.uk/wp-cont...ebsite.pdf (This can be used to point out the terms used for FGM are largely the same)
  
• Darby R, Svoboda J. (2007). A rose by any other name? Rethinking the similarities and differences between male and female genital cutting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17937251/
  
• Earp B. (2016). Between Moral Relativism and Moral Hypocrisy: Reframing the Debate on "FGM". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27477191/
  

If anyone else has more medical literature, please share it to this thread!

I'm considering the idea of going to therapy to address my circumcision trauma. I do not make this decision lightly. I have always been vehemently against therapy for this particular issue. It does not help that I deeply hate every aspect of the United States medical industry, and therapy falls into that category. However, over the past few years, my mental health has deteriorated and I am literally at rock bottom with nowhere to turn and nobody to talk to. 

I don't really have any friends. I have family, but I never talk to them or interact with them in any meaningful capacity. I'm approaching my mid 30s and have felt stuck all my life since I discovered what circumcision was and learned that this mutilation was inflicted upon me. I'm terrified at the idea that a therapist my laugh me out of the room and I don't think I would be able to handle that kind of disrespect.

Would anyone recommend a male therapist over a female one? How should I bring up my trauma? Has anybody ever had a negative therapy session that only made them become worse? Would love to hear everyone's thoughts and take on this. 

Thanks

Why is male genital mutilation not being leveraged more in mens rights movements? Seriously, male genital mutilation is the strongest weapon in their arsenal, yet it is NEVER used. Why? Does the generational trauma and propaganda run that deep? Like I understand that not only is it incredibly difficult for someone to accept that they were raped and mutilated as a child, but that their own flesh and blood gave the green light nonetheless. 

Once you realize the truth about circumcision, everything falls apart. Does anyone have any idea why MGM is not being leveraged? Are modern men just that brainwashed, castrated, effeminate, and pussified that everyone is scared of doing so? Now, I'm not one to speak badly against those in the mens rights movement since they are doing more than I am, but holy fuck WHY IS MGM NOT BEING LEVERAGED?!

I just really don't get it. MGM is the number one social justice issue impacting billions of men worldwide, and nobody of prominence in the mens rights organizations is using this to their advantage. If someone is, please enlighten me.

I'm going to reach out to every major mens rights organization in the United States and ask them what they are currently doing about this critical issue. I will report my findings in a new thread.

I first learned about circumcision at the age of 10 years old, and it literally twisted and significantly warped my view of the world, society, and mankind when I not only learned about this horrific practice, but discovered that I was a victim of it. What followed this revelation has been nearly 20 years of constant mockery, disregard, ostracization, and ignorance from those around me.

Let's set the facts straight: Every male that has been routinely genitally mutilated as an infant or child is a victim. It's that simple. That doesn't mean you have to adopt the victimhood mentality, but you are a victim of egregious oppressive systems nonetheless. Claiming you are not is delusion and does not represent reality.

I have went my entire life since the age of 10 never meeting another person in real life that has felt the same way about this practice as me. I abhor circumcision in all its forms, even the so called "medically justified" ones. I truly hate this barbaric practice in every way, shape and form. My experiences with genital mutilation and its aftermath have destroyed my ability for love, romance, and forming relationships with others, platonic or not.

I am truly lost in every sense of the word.

It appears the Uyghur population in China was distraught over the government's clamp down on the mutilation of baby boys. Who would have thought such a positive move would cause so much distress? How else will these people be able to mutilate their boys? Very sad indeed. Despite the Chinese government's obvious racial motives for this decision, it is a positive one nonetheless. The article callously states: "Circumcisions are a major life-cycle event for Muslim boys, usually between the ages of six and eight, that include a ceremony and reception similar to that of a wedding, with family, friends and neighbors invited to celebrate the event." Absolutely vile.

Full article available here: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/...81503.html

1/29/2021
Uyghurs Losing Circumcision Traditions Under China’s Xinjiang Policies.

Authorities in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) are severely restricting the Islamic tradition of circumcision, either by delinking its religious significance or banning it outright, according to officials.

A member of the Uyghur diaspora living in Europe recently informed RFA’s Uyghur Service that Memet Ibrahim—a resident of his hometown Alaqagha, in Aksu (in Chinese, Akesu) prefecture’s Kuchar (Kuche) county—was placed in an internment camp during the week of Jan. 12 because he had his six-year-old son circumcised.

Circumcisions are a major life-cycle event for Muslim boys, usually between the ages of six and eight, that include a ceremony and reception similar to that of a wedding, with family, friends and neighbors invited to celebrate the event.

According to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal, Ibrahim had his son’s circumcision performed and celebrated not as part of a traditionally large community event, but rather in a small, private ceremony with a few family members present.

Nonetheless, he said, the family was unable to escape the watchful eyes of the village cadres, and Ibrahim was later detained in one of the vast network of camps in which authorities in the XUAR are believed to have held up to 1.8 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities accused of “religious extremism” and “separatism” since early 2017.

RFA spoke with an officer at the Kuchar County Police Department who said he was unaware of Ibrahim’s situation or whether authorities had received any directives restricting the practice of circumcision.

However, in the process of investigating the claim, RFA was able to obtain information from other government offices around the XUAR suggesting that circumcision in the region has been heavily restricted, if not outright prohibited.

Religious rites ‘prohibited’

A “stability” officer in Suydung (Shuiding) township, in Ili Kazakh (Yili Hasake) Autonomous Prefecture’s Qorghas (Huocheng) county, told RFA that one of the points of education she and her colleagues give to residents is that they should not take part in religious circumcisions.

According to the woman, once they reach the age for circumcision, boys are taken to a designated hospital in nearby Ghulja (Yining) city, where the operation is performed. Family gatherings, prayers, and neighborhood celebrations, all part of the religious and social fabric, are reportedly prohibited on the day of the circumcision.

“You are supposed to have it done at government-sanctioned hospitals,” she said. “It is prohibited to do the ritual at home with religious rites.”

The officer said authorities have even put heavy restrictions on visits to those young boys who have been circumcised in government-approved hospitals.

Would-be visitors to their hospital rooms are required to first register themselves with the neighborhood community center. If there are more than 10 visitors to a single child, the parents will be punished, perhaps even with detention in a camp or other center.

“They told us if relatives come, the number should not exceed 10, and we should report it to the government,” she said.

“We were told that if there are visitors to see the child, we should register them, otherwise there will be a problem … that they will be sent for ‘re-education.’”

A civil servant in the seat of Kashgar (Kashi) prefecture confirmed that religious life-cycle ceremonies, including circumcisions and weddings, are also heavily restricted in her region of the XUAR.

When asked whether such events can be performed under the guidance of an akhun, or Muslim officiant, she confirmed that doing so “is not allowed” in Kashgar.

Other restrictions on rites

Earlier reporting by RFA has confirmed that religious wedding rites, nikah, have been heavily restricted in parts of Kashgar for at least the past two years.

Historically, Uyghur couples have performed nikah on the morning of their wedding, gathering with their immediate families, as well as their best man and maid of honor, in the presence of an akhun. Multiple wedding receptions—complete with food, dancing, and merriment, and attended by extended family and members of the couple’s social circle—typically follows during the same afternoon and evening, or over the course of subsequent days.

But sources told RFA in August last year that after the internment campaign began in 2017, authorities began pushing couples to wed solely by obtaining an official marriage license and without nikah, which they identified as a sign of “religious extremism.”

Earlier investigations by RFA have shown that other religiously inflected practices, including wearing beards and various styles of dress—such as long tunics for women—have been heavily restricted by authorities in the XUAR over the past several years.

In 2015 and 2016, regional authorities even restricted the giving of zakat, or alms—the act of which constitutes one of the five pillars of Islam. Restrictions on almsgiving have effectively prevented Uyghurs from being able to provide financial and social support to one another.

Reports of restrictions on circumcision and nikah provide the latest examples of what observers say is a bid by authorities to separate Uyghurs from even the most mundane expressions of religious practice and belief.

John Hopkins, like every other hospital in the United States, supports male genital mutilation. Here's a helpful guide created by them on the pros of mutilating baby males and the best way to do it "safely": https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/t...rcumcision

Unsatisfied with their recommendations?
Hospital Main Number: 410-955-5000

The weight loss in question most likely stemmed from the result of the mutilation inflicted upon his genitals. Humans, the only animal on Earth known to mutilate their offspring mere minutes after birth.

I did a little digging and this "mother" is a woman named Shaeeda Sween. She is a popular yoga instructor internet personality and even has her own website: https://www.westindianbella.com/ - Are you upset about this mother's decision to mutilate her boy? Let her know! - Her website has a contact form if you scroll to the bottom.

Her instagram: https://www.instagram.com/westindianbella/
Her email contact: shaeeda.sween@gmail.com