Working on a tier list that could possibly demonstrate how low people are when they support cutting. I'm open to adding, editing, shuffling, etc. to the list. I'll edit as I get feedback.

UR a chsy wurm dick, durrr.
I just think cut looks better.
Foreskin has no function.
I have a list of benefits with no statistical context, pros outweigh cons.
It's neutral to cut normal and healthy parts off and FGM is worse.
I've actually compared the rates of pros and cons. Cutting is a net negative.
Foreskin has biological functions. 
We all deserve our whole body!

It's not often I spend time on the various intactivist sites and forums online, but when I do I consistently see the same pattern: people that approach this issue from the idea that mal genital mutilation is an attack on bodily autonomy. No, the "procedure" itself is the issue, not that our bodily autonomy and the "choice" was "taken" from us.

I saw a post on Reddit today that was a MGM rant, and in it, the OP said something along the lines of, "they mutilated me without my consent". Do you people even think about what you are about to say before you speak? By the OPs logic, it would not have been mutilation had he been able to consent. Wrong, MGM is mutilation across the board and the we have to stop spewing this "they took my choice" and "my bodily autonomy was taken" bullshit because it's retarded.

Why are we afraid to call this out for what it is: people wanting to control male sexuality and create a slave society. There is no "choice" to be made in genital mutilation and the adults that elect to have it done to them need to have their brains studied for centuries to ensure this practice never sees the light of day again

Title.

The majority of intactivists are pussies scared to criticize our enemies and willingly bend to the will of our opponents. Intactivism is a fragmented poor excuse for a social justice movement. Everyone is scared to criticize doctors, parents, jews, muslims, etc, etc our of fear of being seen as crazy or "too harsh". Uh, our penises were mutilated to sedate us and repress our sexuality, yet here you are tone policing how we should approach this issue?

I've personally gotten into physical altercations over this because I do not back down from pro mutilators at all costs. Most of Intactivism is nothing more than whiny little bitches that are chronically online and afraid to stand up for what's right in real life. It's ridiculous. Props to those at least trying to get some traction outside of the digital world, but for fucks sake the rest of us are diehard pussies.

"You shouldn't say that", "that sounds too mean", "saying that won't help our cause", "we should try gentle education"... FUCK YOU!

if I ever did to kill myself It would 100% be because of this. It’s the most painful thing I experienced every day. It’s like legitimate torture. I hate it. It’s unbearable. It’s just not fair so much. I hate being here.

When you remove your cats claws in most countries that’s illegal when you go to jail because you’re removing a key part of their body they need is illegal to do it to an animal to your pet, but not another human? Why is it muted the same thing as getting your dog fixed when that’s literally the exact same thing? Why does a cat have more bodily autonomy than me? Why why your day protected more than humans at birth? I don’t understand

The majority of people who are actively opposing the institution of circumcision are fighting it through the lens of "this was done without my consent and that's why I'm angry". I am going to explain why attacking circumcision from that position is incredibly futile and actually extremely bad for our cause.

Firstly, even as much as implying that the idea of consent being tied to this social justice issue implies that circumcision is okay. No, genital mutilation is indeed not okay. Not at all. Point blank period. Full stop. The intactivist community needs to realize that it is not the consent we are furious about. We are angry that sensitive, important sexual tissue was ripped from our bodies, consent irrelevant. 

Ask yourself, would you have genitally mutilated yourself at some point in your life had your penis not been doctored? Obviously not. So why have we been, since intactivism's inception, approaching the issue from the lens of consent? Consent is NOT the issue. Controlling male sexuality combined with late stage capitalism is the issue.

To play devil's advocate for a moment, while growing up I was vehemently opposed to circumcision and my primary concern was consent for the better part of my life. It was not until recently that I had a revelation that it wasn't the consent I was angry about. I would have never willingly mutilated my penis. I actually WANT a foreskin. I would never consent to such a decision. Ever.

Far too many posts I see online continue to attack this issue from the lens of consent and it's just so backwards and horrible for our movement. Female circumcision opponents do not attack that issue by saying "You took away her right to choose!" No, they call it out for what it is: genital mutilation that serves no medical purpose and is purely done to control sexuality. Guess what? Male circumcision is the exact same.

Why can the majority of people in intactivism not realize this? Why did it take ME so long? Is it the cultural brainwash? The extensive propaganda? Let's set the record straight: Circumcision is NOT a medical procedure and never will be. It is a branding tool and ancient blood sacrifice that managed to survive for thousands of years because of misandry, misinformation, shame, greed, and oppression. It is NOT a practice that would ever exist in a sane world that valued men. It is NOT going to end until we call it out for what it is and stop saying we are sad and angry and hopeless because our "consent" was ignored.

by u/ElegantlyLethal_R0se

I've used this so many times, and then they just stand there barely able to wrap their heads around what I just said like 😮
The point is:
There are 6,800 mammal species. Only whales, dolphins, marsupials, elephants, and bats are born without a foreskin. The reason for this is in these select few species, their penis does not rest flaccid externally; their penis rests flaccid in an internal cavity, unexposed to the outer world. Therefore we cannot compare their anatomy to humans.
But, every single mammal species whose penises are external 24/7 just like humans penises are, have foreskin.
What every single mammal species has in common, is their penile glands are protected from the external world at all times besides during erection.
Do you mean to tell me that evolution made the same mistake across all 6,800 mammal species by making sure their glands are protected?
And did evolution make the exact same extremely specific mistake with foreskin by giving it to (roughly) 6,700 mammal species?
Or, if viewing it from a religious standpoint:
Did God give all 6,800 mammals glan protection by accident? Do you think humans know better than your God?

Hello everyone! My name is Blueorange22, life long intactivist:

https://www.youtube.com/@Blueorange22/se...rcumcision

I've been asked to be a moderator, and I look forward to getting to know you!

I was going thru some searches, and I found out this website, ' Intactivism is a Mental Disorder ' : https://www.circumcisionchoice.com/singl...alDisorder

You might also see a Subreddit dedicated to bs, which I have talked earlier, r/DebunkingCircumcision
If you go through the Website above, you will find the innumerable cases where the Intactivists were not feeling fine in Public due to some reason or the other, and lets be real, who are supposed to feel uncomfortable when the Genital Mutilation of Males is so widespread in the society? Is it the Pro-Circs? Is it the people on Fence of this matter? NO, They are the Intactivists.
Thats because Intactivists can see the reality, Circumcision should only be done when its the last resort and there is no other option has been left to be tried out, and that too on a certain medical condition.

A Normal Intact Penis is not a deformity, problem or an issue, it is absolutely normal and okay to be Intact. People have labelled Foreskin as 'dirty', which is quite a foreign idea as an Intact Man in a non-circumcising country which have never heard this tbh, the 'dirty' way of thinking pushes MGM further.

But in reality, it was never dirty, with unbiased studies showing up in 21st Century and the vast majority of the world being Intact, we can safely say, its absolutely okay to be Intact.
So Intactivists agenda is very simple, don't overdo smth which can cause harm, Circumcision when done routinely increases Complications among people ( A 11.5% circ complication rate. https://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi ) and causes real issues and regret among people ( 63% of Adult Men regret circumcising in Adulthood ) as its done against their consent or situations, Remember, the Regret doesn't remain if there were genuine Medicals reasons as you know obv.
And Pro-Circs dare not to question these things, cause they know, if they keep defending the Circumcision, these points will prove them that they are stupid, They'll downvote you but not answer some bitter questions or neither admit that doing it routinely is wrong.
So there is a new Wave which might turn larger, Prove that Intactivists are mentally-ill, although we are not, but think this way.
Women who asked for rights were first seen as Satanical, weird, mentally-ill, and what not, but Today in some parts of the world where Women don't get Rights, we call those countries mentally-ill now.
The People demanding abolishment of Slavery were also deemed mentally ill or weird by Slave Owners or the people on the Fence of it. Today we know slavery is a bad thing.
People opposing FGM and MGM earlier were also deemed to be not following the society/tribe and were deemed rebellious to the rest of the people. Today both all forms of Genital Cutting are having voices heard in society for them.
So If someone comes up and Say ' Intactivists are mentally-ill ' , they are just finding a reason to defame you and put you down, as if trying to say, ' Your Words don't matter '.
Best Prevention? Follow These:

i) Do not reveal your Identity if possible -

'Oh, you are an Intact Person, how can you judge the difference for circumcised males ? ' ,
' Oh, you are a woman, you should have No Say in these matters ' ,
' Oh you are from [ country that doesn't circumcise routinely ] , you should not enter into our country/culture's matter ' ,
These are the very same people who have never restored a Foreskin and felt what it feels like, Never saw an Infant being Circumcised ( real life or video ) , Didn't bother seeing their own children's circumcision and yet come up and claim ' My Child slept through it '. BS Claims.
You can share your identity among Intactivists, thats a good thing ngl, but, don't share personal experiences or feelings to the enemy, i.e. the Pro-Circs.
Resorting to Scientifically backed studies more also helps establish a generalized scenario as one can dismiss someone's personal experiences easily even if they are common, but not documented.
ii) Do not Deviate to 'Intactivist's mental issues' -

Your job is to prove that Circumcision on a Routine basis is harmful and shouldn't be done on children, and there is no reason that justifies doing it in 21st Century. Stick to this point, only this point.

Do not deviate to, ' You all have mental illnesses ' or anything like that, the best you can reply is ' Why are you obsessing over mutilating baby penises ? ' , then they will come back to the track and will start justifying how its not a mutilation. And thats the way out, but don't engage in any such other bs.
iii) Warn Others:

Share this post to them, and warn others, that this wave of Pro-Mutilators will come, and we have to be prepared of it. The more the narrative of ' Intactivism has mental issues ' spreads, the more our image will fall and we might fail.

The actual reality is that Pro-Mutilators have actual mental illness trying to justify Mutilating baby penises. Thats it, they are p*dophiles atm. We want people to let the penis intact, unaltered, and normal actually.

Just leave them actually instead of knife-raping them, the Knife-raping culture and people who do it is to be blamed, not those fighting against it. Something is structurally damaged in the society and we are fixing it tbh wholeheartedly.
Most of the Pro-Circs have adopted to the New, Reduced Normal form of their body and never know what they are missing, they assume everthing is fine when they are living with complications and call it normal ( being ignorant actually )
iv) Take Breaks:
You are not here to constantly blabber about Cons of Circumcision, defend Intact penis all the time, take time to breath, grow, and level up in life, You also need money to file lawsuits against Infant Circumcisions, I mean Mutilations, become the powerful also, and actively associate ourselves with Men's Rights.
We do not forget the purpose, but each and every action we take in our lives, directly or indirectly makes us powerful and that always pushes Intactivism forward. Small Steps do make large success.
Thanks For Reading, Have A Great Day Ahead.
Articles To Read (Recommended):

Circ listed in the riskiest medical procedures. https://health.alot.com/conditions/10-of...res---6429

SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, 35% higher in states where Medicaid pays for infant circ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6412606/

Circumcision deaths. http://www.cirp.org/library/death/

A 11.5% circ complication rate. https://spuonline.org/abstracts/2018/P21.cgi

Circ increases costs. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15534340/
Circ v intact penile problems. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39084960/
No analgesic removes all pain during circ. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41443-022-00551-x
Mother infant interaction, Sleep wake states, etc. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=rel...oogle.com/
Pain hypersensitivity following neonatal nerve injury. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1186/1744-8069-8-30
Lifetime pain & complications from circ. https://www.yourwholebaby.org/images-adults